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  strives to provide its patrons with Click to see bigger pic reliable stream, weather and fishing conditions during the fall, winter and spring. We are happy to provide this information for anglers so that they can make informed decisions about fishing trips. Please be aware, however, that weather, fishing conditions and water flows can change in a moment's notice. Hydro power generation can and does alter water flows. Not all fishermen's expectations and skills are equal and if you wait for "perfect" conditions, you'll likely miss some good opportunities. No guarantee of success, natural conditions or safety is ever implied. Here's what we know right now...

Last updated: weekend Sept 20, 2014

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Lodging dates are available for the 2014 trib season. There's lots of good fishing for salmon, steelhead and brown trout ahead! Stay at the Licorice Lodge at the shop in the heart of the fishing action! Brand new additional lodging available for Fall 2014 located just 5 miles east on Route 18, convienent to Sandy Creek. Call soon for reservations!

The Oak Orchard Pen Rearing Association received approx 30,000 steelhead placed in net pens and directly into the OOrchard Apr 15, 2014. Approx 115,000 King salmon where also placed in the net pens for hopeful imprinting on the OOrchard. These numbers represent just some of the total number of salmonids stocked here in Orleans County annually. Many thanks to Bob Songin and other local stakeholders for their efforts of securing, feeding and monitoring the fish. More tributary anglers are invited in 2014 to help with feeding the fish and cleaning the pens. Contact us for how and where to help out.

The Sportsmen Archer's Club Fly Fishing Only Catch and Release Contest will be held Oct 15 - 17, 2014. Everyone is sure to enjoy the great hospitality and comradorie of the Archer's Club and experience some real good fishing. Their cooperation with out of the area fishermen is truly above board and greatly appreciated by all. Please contact us or see the Club for registration.

Tributary Fly Fishing Class was held Sat, March 22, 2014. Join our great instructors NYSLOG Paul Jacob from Reel Action Fly Fishing and Capt. Jason Franz from Trout 'n' About and RonB aka the Licorice Man in 2015. An informative and fun filled day where we can help shorten the learning curve for you. Lunch is provided. Call or email for more info and pre-registration!

Be sure you follow-up with your comments on the Waterport dam situation via the contacts listed below, especially the first three. It's very important! For specific questions email the power company at the 4th contact listed. We can't speak for Brookfield!

Yes you can still fish all of the same water, there are just some new rules in place!

Changes in the weather can make it very difficult to predict salmonid "run" timing. Migration is a better term, fish don't start to "run" on Tue and finish on Sat, it's more often more drawn out over weeks or months. Trout fishing, especially brown trout, has the potential to be real good this season. King numbers should be good - they have not experienced heavy harvest in the Lake this summer!

When you call, leave a message, that is the only way we can help you by calling you back! Or drop an email.

With the last cool down and if the weather stays cool with decent trib flows, salmon numbers are building especially in the lower river. There are some fish boiling and crashing now around the Bridges area. Rivermouth casters are now into fish when wind and waves cooperate for fishable conditions. Each day the chances for hook-ups are good depending upon conditions with the best chances being first or last light or at night working glo lures or still fishing skein or eggs. Now is the best chance at the freshest, biggest and hardest fighting salmon of the year. Some fish will be passing thru the lower river area making their way to the Bridges area to stage while other fish will continue upstream further right to the dam.

There have been a few rainbows/steelhead and brown trout caught at the OOrchard rivermouth and even upstream off and on now for at least a few weeks. Everyday as the weather and water cools there will be more hook-up chances. First at the rivermouth, then the lower river, then upstream in the last of the slow water areas and finally in the upstream fast water all the way to the dam. Trollers and charter boats are now sometimes in as close as 10 - 20 feet of water or right around the rivermouth. A few small boat trollers are working the lower river and there's still action well off shore too in the Lake.

weekend Sept 20...
Warmer weather is back today, Sat, with the chance for precip tonight or tomrw. OOrchard flows are low - mod and other area smaller trib flows are low. Anglers are out this weekend plying both upstream and downstream areas. There are reportidly some fish at the dam and just a few stragglers migrating downstream thru the fast water areas. Rivermouth casters are into salmon on and off esp at first light, last light or at night. Small boat trollers and casters are into the action too all the way up thru the lower river. Warming weather and southerly winds will tend to stall lower river staging and floppers, while cooler or wetter or northerly winds will tend to push fish around the rivermouth or into the river and flopping.

Sept 18...
We are now open everyday with all our salmon gear, esp conventional casting or float fishing skein tackle available. Upstream fly and drift trout fishing is coming, be patient! PFD's are also in with belt models, suspenders and vest models available. Dredging activity around the OORchard rivermouth is reportidly done today.

Some fish are now staged up and seen boiling around the Bridges area. Reported low OORchard flows are probably not encouraging many fish upstream and in-fact some earlier run fish may have beat feet back downstream to the Bridges area. Anglers should be aware that with the removal of the previous low bridge there, that there are now two new spots for access on either side of the OOrchard from the old bridge abutements. This gives access to the number one salmon staging hole in the river for mostly conventional or float fishing techniques where so far the public is unimpeded.

Good on and off rivermouth action continues with now some guys targeting those fish that are staged up a little upstream like around the Bridges area. A few reports indicate good staging activity in the lower river areas of the other smaller tribs. Check out the current fish pics below. Upstream fast water action is prob light given the low flows reported. There's a NE wind today with gloom and light precip so it could be a good opportunity for cold water and fish migrations closer in-shore.

Sept 16...
With calmer winds and now clearer water around the rivermouth the action for casters has cooled some, but you can still expect some hook-up chances during low light or at night periods. There aren't yet a lot of salmon showing themselves in the lower river , so these early runners could be going all the way upstream nearer the dam without lingering downstream. There's been some precip, enough to keep OOrchard flows mod, but not enough to bring flows up.

Sept 13...
The weather couldn't be better for encouraging salmon to enter the OOrchard and/or move upstream. It's cool and wet and gloomy with forecasted NW winds off the Lake. Salmon are being hooked at the rivermouth and there are some reports of small pods of fish upstream all the way to the dam.

See important contact info following...

Anglers fishing at the Waterport dam are reminded to follow all site rules and user requirements (site rules) and warnings, to not go beyond or wade past restricted areas and to obey all instructions from site or security personnel. Those few who might choose to not obey site rules could jeopordize the good and respectful actions of most anglers who enjoy access for fishing provided by Brookfield Renewable Power (power company) on their privately held lands. For anglers accessing Brookfield PFD required zones, PFDs can be purchased here for fall 2014 where we will be offering at least a few different styles that should not hinder your current fishing system set-up including belt models, suspenders and foam vests.

The power company has initiated the site rules and user requirements while fishing at the Waterport dam on their privately held lands. The site rules are an alternative to not being allowed access for fishing on thier privately held lands.

We have encouraged users to obey the developing site rules from the beginning (see above) and recommend continued following site rules. The power company has put forth the site rules for the public safety. An incident this past fall 2013 where two users fell in the water while fishing immediately against the powerhouse building, and other factors, are likely responsible for the power company's new site rules. Some of the power company's private lands include the powerhouse area on the turbine channel, the overflow channel bankside areas extending downstream, and the turbine channel bankside areas extending downstream to where it meets the south boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (approx 150 yds downstream from the old RR trestle.) The NYSDEC also owns lands of an approx 60 foot wide swath across the turbine and overflow channels that would approximate the footprint of the old RR trestle.

New site rules include but may not be limited to...

restricted wading areas on both sides of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion for wading or water entry on the far side or west side of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion from some area below the falls on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone extending downstream on the turbine channel starting at the old RR trestle to the southern boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (which is approx 150 yds).

Prior to the new site rules there has been a concentrated salmon fishing effort of many users at the Waterport dam in the fall time-frame over a period of many years. There has also been lawful trout and salmon fishing by fly, spin and float anglers during the fall, winter and spring over a period of many years at the Waterport dam and on all the rest of the power company's lands on the Oak Orchard River.

The new site rules may impact your fishing effort on the Oak Orchard River at the Waterport dam. Your fishing effort on non power company lands on the rest of the Oak Orchard River could also be impacted, for example, by displacing some fall time-frame salmon anglers to other parts of the river.

If you have any concerns or comments about the new site rules you should contact... For the first three contacts you could send one email and copy everyone or call.

Mike Waterhouse the Orleans County Sportfishing Coordinator at sportfishing@orleansny.com. 585 589 3103

Orleans County Tourism at tourism@orleansny.com.
585 589 3198

NYSDEC Region 8 at fwfish8@gw.dec.state.ny.us.
585 226 2466

Brookfield directly for specific questions about the new site rules at inquiries.newyork@brookfieldrenewable.com.

Your comments and concerns are important for the involved policy makers to insure continued great trout and salmon fishing opportunities for all anglers on the Oak Orchard River. Given the timeframe of recent developments near the end of the 2014 spring tributary fishing season, be sure you share this info with all your fishing friends thru whatever social media or forums appropriate.

Remember you have to get out and fish. Come experience great fishing as it takes place instead of solely relying and waiting on internet reports. Anglers who find the best fishing often anticipate when the right conditions will come together. Internet bragging seems a lot less prevelant then it was a few years ago, and our reports tend to be even keeled - not reporting fish numbers great enough that they would be jumping in your waders - even if they were! Good water flows will be the biggest factor for trout and salmon migrations in the Oak Orchard River and in the area smaller tribs and pushing them upstream. Weather is the biggest factor for angler migrations and bringing more fishermen out and about. There have been some exceptional fish caught this trib season, just check out the pics below and in the archives. Come on out and get in on some trophy action this fall, winter and spring and add to the photo collection!

What does the Oak Orchard River, Lake Ontario and WNY offer? The chance to fish from your own two feet for trout and salmon you measure in pounds, not inches, for 7 - 9 months depending upon weather and water conditions. Recent economic conditions may make it more difficult for a fishing trip, but a trip here to the Oak Orchard River and WNY to fish for World Class trout and salmon is still easily the best bargain in trophy fishing. The working man's big trout and salmon trip is still here, and it's not even a contest compared to the other exotic, far off angling destinations. We believe our web reports are the straightest poop by far about Oak Orchard and most WNY conditions. We are living and experiencing all the fishing action directly or thru trusted reports of other die hard anglers as it happens. So how do you know if trophy trout and salmon will be catchable upon your travels to the Oak Orchard and WNY area? All the best web info, bulletin boards, angler skill and top notch equipment cannot replace getting out there and actually fishing! The nuances of fish migrations is an inexact science and we cannot predict the future. Fish as soon as reasonable conditions allow instead of waiting for supposed better conditions that may or may not materialize. Be one of the lucky few that experiences good fishing as it takes place instead of hearing that famous quote, "you should have been here yesterday!"

Tight lines and smooth drags!
Licorice Man


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Latest Catch Photos

Even first timers with simple small boat trolling set-ups around the OORchard rivermouth or lower river areas can score some big Kings. Rookie angler Wayne is happy with this good fighter. 3rd week Sept 2014
Veteran rivermouth caster young Shawn Jr. hooked this nice King working the OOrchard rivermouth in the low light periods with spoons from the most knowledgeable trib and shoreline resource around. 3rd week Sept 2014



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