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  strives to provide its patrons with Click to see bigger pic reliable stream, weather and fishing conditions during the fall, winter and spring. We are happy to provide this information for anglers so that they can make informed decisions about fishing trips. Please be aware, however, that weather, fishing conditions and water flows can change in a moment's notice. Hydro power generation can and does alter water flows. Not all fishermen's expectations and skills are equal and if you wait for "perfect" conditions, you'll likely miss some good opportunities. No guarantee of success, natural conditions or safety is ever implied. Here's what we know right now...

Last updated: Nov 25, 2015

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Lodging dates are available for 2015/2016 trib season. There's lots of good fishing for salmon, steelhead and brown trout ahead! Stay at the Licorice Lodge at the shop in the heart of the fishing action! New lodging available at the our private well appointed Garage Lodge located just 5 miles east on Route 18, convienent to Sandy Creek. Reservations now accepted for 2015. See below for dates still open.

Licorice Lodge... Nov 25 - whole lodge. Nov 26 - 2 rooms. Nov 27, 28 - 1 room. Nov 29, 30 - whole lodge. Dec 1, 2, 3 - 1 room. Dec 4 forward - whole lodge.

The Oak Orchard Pen Rearing Association received approx 10,000 steelhead placed in net pens in the OOrchard Apr 2015. Approx 106,000 King salmon where placed in the net pens for hopeful imprinting on the OOrchard. These numbers represent just some of the total number of salmonids stocked here in Orleans County annually. Many thanks to local stakeholders for their efforts of securing, feeding and monitoring the fish. More tributary anglers are invited to help with feeding the fish and cleaning the pens. Contact us for how and where to help out in 2016. Be sure you contact NYSDEC for comments on the cormorant situation and the impacts on the young stocked salmonids.

The Sportsmen Archer's Club Fly Fishing Only Catch and Release Contest was held Oct 21, 22, 23 - 2015. Everyone enjoyed the great hospitality and comradorie of the Archer's Club and experienced some good fishing. Their cooperation with out of the area fishermen has been truly above board and greatly appreciated by all. Please contact us or see the Club for 2016 registration. On site parking and breakfast and lunch is no longer provided for the fall season. Winter and spring (2015/2016) site parking passes will not be offered. Anglers may still be able to park at the top of the Archer's driveway and walk in and fish. Or use the east side access from downstream at the Park Ave Fishing Trail and walk in and fish or from the NYSDEC parking at the Waterport Dam and walk in and fish. All non club members are reminded to act as courteous and responsible guests on the private bankside lands of the Archer's Club so that we may all enjoy the fishing access there now and in the future.

Tributary Fly Fishing Class was held on Sat, Apr 11, 2015. Our great instructors NYSLOG Capt. Jason Franz from Trout 'n' About and RonB aka the Licorice Man gave the intro course and streamside demos. An informative and fun filled day where we help shorten the learning curve for you. Lunch was provided. Call or email for more info and pre-registration in 2016!

We encourage all users to follow the site rules for access and fishing on the Brookfield Power Company lands. We cannot speak for the power company or interpret their site rules. We have a map posted outside the shop door highlighting the PFD zone just downstream of the dam and on the overflow channel on the OOrchard. We can also forward you a copy of the Brookfield Power Company brochure highlighting that area if you provide us your email. For specific questions about the Waterport dam site rules you can email Inquiries@Brookfieldrenewable.com.

Orleans Outdoor has changed it's name to Oak Orchard Tackle & Lodge. Check out our new sign and logo in current fish pics below. We look forward to another nearly 20 years as WNY's longest running speciality trout and salmon tributary fly, spin and float shop!

Nov 25...
Welcome back to some mild weather after just a couple days of colder seasonal temps. Forecast is for highs in the 50's F thru Fri with the chance of precip Fri. Erie Canal winter time drainage has begun, what looks like slowly for now. That slug of higher flows should reach the OOrchard below the Waterport dam within a day or two. Higher flows from the dewatering should last anywhere from a few days to a week in the OOrchard. It is unknown if any other area trib will see some of that Canal drainage water. For now under the low - mod and clear OOrchard flows the fair brown trout action continues with anglers in a days effort usually getting a few hook-ups. Long and light and good dead drifters have usually been scoring the best. There has been the occasional good big fish, with lately more smaller browns in the mix. On any rise in flows there should be the opportunity for some fresh browns and steelhead and Atlantics and cohos and a flushing out of some of the old moldy salmon. Browns still around that didn't take an overland migration route should be in a spawning mode. If any of the other smaller waterways see a rise in flows from the Canal dewatering or natural precip otherwise, the fishing action in the those waterways should perk up. Fishing pressure is down and seems easily manageable for this holiday and big game seasons time.

Nov 23...
Some seasonal cold weather is forecast thru the begin part of this week. There was no significant precip thru the past weekend and there is some snow showers forecast today and tomorrow but no significant accummulation expected. Fishing pressure is def easing some and will likely continue to ease with PA big game season and holidays approaching. Erie Canal final winter time dewatering should take place thru the end part of this week and upcoming weekend bringing OOrchard flows up from mod and clear levels. The other area smaller tribs could see a rise in flows too. On that rise in flows we should see the "second" season of good trib fishing underway just about the time the fishing pressure is getting less. There's no real prolonged cold weather in the near forecast either. For now the fair brown trout action continues on the OOrchard with guys generally getting a few hook-ups each day. Lately theres been some smaller fish in the mix. Salmon are waning and giving up the ghost. The other area smaller tribs do have fish in their most lower reaches and now with reasonable fishing pressure anglers are getting some legit hook-ups. Those flows are real low and clear for now.

weekend Nov 21...
Well we got our change in the weather, just minus the rise in flows we were hoping for from the Canal winter time drainage. Looks like that rise in OORchard flows from the Canal dewatering will be sometime next mid or end part of week. Temps should be in the 30's - 40 F for the weekend and there is the chance for rain Sat night. Any significant LESnow accummulations for the weekend should be south of the area. Fishing pressure is about normal and there may or may not be a drop in pressure with NYS big game season opener on Sat. Guys are still into a mix of a few spawning or old moldy or occasional greener salmon. Most effort is for brown trout, guys are working for a few hook-ups a day for fair action. There is the occasional good big fish, with lately smaller fresh fish wanting to migrate in the low - mod and clear OORchard flows. There are a few rainbows/steelhead and Atlantics too. The other area smaller tribs have real low and clear flows with scattered numbers of fish primarily in their lower reaches.

Nov 19...
PM update...
Latest hydro managers intel indicates something like a one week delay in Canal drainage meaning a continuation of the mod OOrchard flows thru next week with possible increase in higher drainage flows sometime mid or end part of next week.

AM update...
Unseasonable mild temps continue today with a cool down forecast for tomorrow. There have been some rain showers thru last night and today but probably not enough to change any area trib flows. We have no indications yet of any change in water flows from the Erie Canal winter time drainage yet, but we will have a look around tomorrow and see if that slug of water has reached the OOrchard below the Waterport dam yet. Anglers who are into so far fair brown trout action could expect better hook-up chances on some fresh migrating fish with any future rise in flows coupled with a cool down in the weather. Stay tuned...

Nov 18...
Still mild temps thru this mid week period with high winds forecast for today and chance of rain tonight. Weekend forecast is for colder temps and mixed bag precip. Flows in the OOrchard are still humming along as the best game in town at mod - med and just slightly stained. Expect water level fluctuations thanks to hydropower operations especially on windy days. Reliable intel indicates greater flows reaching the OOrchard below Waterport about the end part of the week and weekend possibly thru the begin of next week due to Erie Canal winter time drainage. That rise in flows coupled with a change in the weather should bring on some fresh fish migrations and maybe perk up the steelhead action. Fishing pressure is about normal and manageable with some focus shifting toward big game seasons now. Brown trout action is on and off, persistent drifters are into fish each day with a few steelhead or cohos or atlantics or older salmon thrown in. Any rise in flows could bring on some green Kings and flush some zombies out. The "second season" brown trout action with greater Canal flows should be setting up nicely with the chance for good fishing under lighter fishing pressure. Without natural precip behind the Canal drainage look for lower future flows. For now the other area smaller tribs have low and clear flows and scattered brown trout action mainly in the lower reaches. It's unknown what if any volume of water might be passed thru the waterways beside the OOrchard, but history tells us those waterways could benefit at least some in the short term.

Nov 16...
After a bit of a lull in the fishing action thru the end of last week, there were more favorable reports for the end of the past weekend. Anglers did see some fish on the move thru the lower reaches of the OOrchard and those fish should be spreading out upstream. Flows are reported to be up just slightly to mod - med and that could be the start of some Erie Canal winter time drainage water. That slight increase in flows could be responsible for the weekend fish movements noted and any future greater rise in flows via more Canal water could make for better fishing action and upstream movements of fish. Weather forecast is for mild temps and clear this begin part of the week. Fishing pressure looks about normal with most salmon guys having fallen out of the mix. There are still some green salmon to be caught by those so inclined, but most guys now are targeting browns. Some browns now are reported to be setting up to spawn themselves, although most females are reported to still be tight. The other area smaller tribs have low and clear flows for now, that is until any short term Erie Canal winter time drainage water may be passed thru those waterways.

Remember you still have to get out and fish... Come experience great fishing as it takes place instead of solely relying and waiting on internet reports. Anglers who find the best fishing often anticipate when the right conditions will come together. Internet bragging seems a lot less prevelant then it was a few years ago, and our reports tend to be even keeled - not reporting fish numbers great enough that they would be jumping in your waders - even if they were! Good water flows will be the biggest factor for trout and salmon migrations in the Oak Orchard River and in the area smaller tribs and pushing them upstream. Weather and the calendar is the biggest factor for angling pressure and bringing more fishermen out or keeping them indoors. There are always some exceptional fish caught in the trib season, just check out the pics below and in the archives. Come on out and get in on some trophy action this fall, winter and spring and add to the photo collection!

What does the Oak Orchard River, shoreline and other WNY tribs offer? The chance to fish from your own two feet for trout and salmon you measure in pounds, not inches, for 7 - 9 months depending upon weather and water conditions. A trip to the Oak Orchard River and WNY to fish for World Class trout and salmon is still easily the best bargain in trophy fishing. The working man's big trout and salmon trip is still here, and it's not even a contest compared to the other exotic, far off angling destinations. We believe our web reports are the straightest poop by far about Oak Orchard and most WNY conditions. We are living and experiencing all the fishing action directly or thru trusted reports of other die hard anglers as it happens. So how do you know if trophy trout and salmon will be catchable upon your travels to the Oak Orchard and WNY area? All the best web info, bulletin boards, angler skill and top notch equipment cannot replace getting out there and actually fishing! The nuances of fish migrations is an inexact science and we cannot predict the future. Fish as soon as reasonable conditions allow instead of waiting for supposed better conditions that may or may not materialize. Be one of the lucky few that experiences good fishing as it takes place instead of hearing that famous quote, "you should have been here yesterday!"

Tight lines and smooth drags!
Licorice Man


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Latest Catch Photos

New name - same shop and lodge! Look for web upgrades and other changes coming this winter and spring 2015/2016.
This fly angler hit the backside of higher water from a shot of rain that produced the only real rise in flows so far this fall and found this willing taker from a small area trib. Begin part of Oct 2015.
Small boat trolling with simple flat line rods (or casting) can yield nice Kings at the OOrchard River mouth and lower river in Sep and Oct (2015).
The Licorice Man connects on a big hard fighter while casting the OOrchard River mouth 3rd week Sep 2015.



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