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  strives to provide its patrons with Click to see bigger pic reliable stream, weather and fishing conditions during the fall, winter and spring. We are happy to provide this information for anglers so that they can make informed decisions about fishing trips. Please be aware, however, that weather, fishing conditions and water flows can change in a moment's notice. Hydro power generation can and does alter water flows. Not all fishermen's expectations and skills are equal and if you wait for "perfect" conditions, you'll likely miss some good opportunities. No guarantee of success, natural conditions or safety is ever implied. Here's what we know right now...

Last updated: Oct 31, 2014

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Lodging dates are available for the 2014 trib season. There's lots of good fishing for salmon, steelhead and brown trout ahead! Stay at the Licorice Lodge at the shop in the heart of the fishing action! Brand new additional lodging available for Fall 2014 located just 5 miles east on Route 18, convienent to Sandy Creek. Call soon for reservations!

These dates are available at the shop Licorice Lodge...

Nov 2, 3, 4 - 1 room. Nov 13 - 2 rooms. Nov 17 - 2 rooms. Nov 18 - 1 room. Nov 21, 22 - 1 room. Nov 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 - 1 room. Nov 30 - 3 rooms.

Dec 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - 2 rooms. Dec 6 - 1 room. Dec 7, 8, 9 - 3 rooms. Dec 10, 11, 12, 13 - 2 rooms. Dec 14 forward - 3 rooms.

These dates are available at the new lodge...

Oct 26, 27. Nov 16, 17, 18, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30.

The Oak Orchard Pen Rearing Association received approx 30,000 steelhead placed in net pens and directly into the OOrchard Apr 15, 2014. Approx 115,000 King salmon where also placed in the net pens for hopeful imprinting on the OOrchard. These numbers represent just some of the total number of salmonids stocked here in Orleans County annually. Many thanks to Bob Songin and other local stakeholders for their efforts of securing, feeding and monitoring the fish. More tributary anglers are invited in 2014 to help with feeding the fish and cleaning the pens. Contact us for how and where to help out.

The Sportsmen Archer's Club Fly Fishing Only Catch and Release Contest will be held Oct 15 - 17, 2014. Everyone is sure to enjoy the great hospitality and comradorie of the Archer's Club and experience some real good fishing. Their cooperation with out of the area fishermen is truly above board and greatly appreciated by all. Please contact us or see the Club for registration.

Tributary Fly Fishing Class was held Sat, March 22, 2014. Join our great instructors NYSLOG Paul Jacob from Reel Action Fly Fishing and Capt. Jason Franz from Trout 'n' About and RonB aka the Licorice Man in 2015. An informative and fun filled day where we can help shorten the learning curve for you. Lunch is provided. Call or email for more info and pre-registration!

Be sure you follow-up with your comments on the Waterport dam situation via the contacts listed below, especially the first three. It's very important! For specific questions email the power company at the 4th contact listed. We can't speak for Brookfield!

Yes you can still fish all of the same water, there are just some new rules in place! There is significant misinformation out there about the new site rules put forth by Brookfield Power at the Waterport dam. Read the info below carefully, PFD's are required only on the Brookfield Power Company lands where water entry is permitted. Brookfield does not own the lands downstream anywhere near the end of the peninsula or near the Archer's Club! There are no new concerns or changes or otherwise on the rest of the river say on the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area or around the Archer's Club, etc...

Changeable weather patterns can make it difficult to predict salmonid "run" timing. Migration is a better term, fish don't start to "run" on Tue and end on Sat, it's often more drawn out over weeks or months dependent on weather and water flows.

When you call, leave a message, that is the only way we can help you by calling you back! Or drop an email.

Salmon numbers are good - strong in the OOrchard, fish are spread thru the whole rivercourse, now concentrated mostly in the upstream fast water gravel reaches. Salmon will drop back from the dam and there will still be some fish arriving from the Lake, look for the chance for coho migrations now thru Nov. Migrating Kings will move thru downriver areas quickly now. Rivermouth casters are still into fish when wind and waves cooperate for fishable conditions. Egg sack plunkers can get into some steelhead now at the rivermouth.

Oct 31...
Check out the recent catch pics below for the good brown trout action. Temps are more seasonally cool now and trib water temps are dipping into the mid 40's F. Flows are low - mod with daily water level fluctuations thanks to leaf fall and hydro power operations. Erie Canal seasonal water feed is keeping flows in the OOrchard the least low of the WNY Niagara Frontier trib low flows. Look for winter time draining of the canal sometime around mid to end of Nov. Kings are spawning hard, theres a mix of spawning and zombie fish and a few fresher ones in the OOrchard. Theres still opportunity to target some greener, willing biters in the fast water. Brown trout action remains real good, pods of fish on the move at select times, for the most part trucking upstream nearer the dam to be near their spawning salmon buddies. Theres prob a few browns spawning and more will move to gravel in the near future as more females show up. Fishing pressure is still fairly sporty, a lot of anglers are fishing those best flows here in the OOrchard. A few salmon guys are falling out of the mix. At times there are good pods of steelhead and a few Atlantics have been hooked up too. Other area smaller tribs have low and clear flows, but the Kings have spread well upstream anyway. Browns are more often encountered in pods here and there with stronger concentrations in the lower reaches. Any significant precip could bring flows up. Theres showers in the forecast today and tomorrow and any LESnow should be south of the area.

Oct 30...
More seasonal temps today in the 40's F with the chance for precip late Fri or Sat and continuing cool temps. This first shot of consistent cooler weather will cool water temps and prolong the King action while possibly putting a few browns on gravel. Right now browns are most interested in eating salmon eggs and the successful fishing tecnniques reflect that. In the OOrchard salmon action is still good, plenty of fish around, a mix of some spawning and fresher fish with some now showing signs of wear. Fresh fish will still straggle in. Brown trout acion is generally real good, most all anglers able to get light drifts thru the Kings can get some hook-ups. Nice steelhead in fair numbers are present too. The other area tribs have low and clear flows with scattered salmon and pods of browns that make on and off upstream movements. Still there are likely greater concentrations of fish in deeper downstream reaches. Fishing pressure has eased some with what seems like a few less salmon guys around and typical mid week slackening.

Oct 28...
Unseasonable warm temps today around 70 F with the chance for thunderstorms and wind later today or tonight. Still plenty of Kings around in the OOrchard with good numbers of browns and some steelhead too. For anglers able to get some drifts thru and around Kings, most are getting hook-ups on so far willing biters. Flows are hanging in at low - mod in the OOrchard with low and clearing and dropping flows in the other area smaller tribs. Expect almost daily water level fluctuations thanks to hydropower operations. Some significant precip could help spread out fish and anglers thru out the smaller waterways. Fishing pressure could ease some thru this mid week period, especially as the weather may turn colder as forecasted.

Oct 27...
Warm weather and good fishing and low flows in other area smaller tribs has lead to a fair amount of pressure on the OOrchard. Still, over-the-all, most anglers are reporting good fishing despite the crowds. So far some of the best brown trout fishing in years with Kings still going pretty strong. The salmon "run" may just now be going past half way. Most of the Kings are spawning, so theres about a one-third mix of fresher, spawning and zombie fish. Flows are low - mod and slightly tannic stained. There have been some water level fluctuations typical of this time of the year with leaf fall from hydro power operations. The other area smaller tribs have low and clear flows, just barely maintained over the past weekend from a thunder shower, but now dropping back down. There's scattered numbers of Kings upstream with browns and steelhead mostly hanging in the downstream reaches. Weather is forecasted warm thru the begin of the week, chance of precip tomorrow and then colder for the end of the week.

weekend Oct 25...
The weather thru today, Sat, is warm and windy. There should be some leaves in the water and the chance for water level fluctuations thanks to hydro power operations in the OOrchard. The clear and bright and warm weather coupled with angling pressure can make for spooky fish, but where anglers in an area concentrate on legit drifting techniques via fly, spin or float the fish aren't spooked to heck and more hook-ups are the result. There can be good opportunities for hook-ups when legit techniques prevail even if the fishing pressure is a little heavy. There are good - strong numbers of fish in the OOrchard, both salmon and browns. Fair numbers of steelhead already too for this part of the fall season. Many of the Kings are in a spawning mode, more and more fish on gravel each day. The right now warmer weather and forecasted warm weather thru next week shouldn't deter the Kings, they are committed. But it will mean some more old moldies in the mix. Flows are low - mod in the OOrchard and water temps are likely not to dip much in the near future, so brown trout spawning activity will likely be held back some. Other area smaller tribs have low and clear and once again dropping flows. But likewise there are committed Kings there despite low water with scattered numbers of browns and steelhead. Some anglers find a pod of fish and do ok, others find not much action.

Oct 24...
Yesterday and today the weather has gone clear and a little warmer, highs are around 60 F. There is the chance for showers tomorrow, Sat. Anglers are enjoying good action for salmon and browns in nice agreeable weather, so look for fairly heavy fishing pressure in the OOrchard. Salmon are spread thru most of the upper reaches fast water in a spawning mode. Fish are dropping back from the dam and some are still coming upstream. Most are green or fresher with some older moldies thrown in. Mixed in among all the salmon are good numbers of browns and steelhead. There are some real nice males and a few female browns in the mix. Salmon are spread thu the other area smaller tribs esp to the east, reported lighter to the west. Brown trout could use some cover of higher water to spread out upstream and get thru downstream fishing pressure. Flows are low - mod and fluctuating in the OOrchard and low in the other area tribs. Canal water in some cases is being moved thru the smaller tribs so anglers should have a look and not assume flows are too low to fish.

See important contact info following...

Anglers fishing at the Waterport dam are reminded to follow all site rules and user requirements (site rules) and warnings, to not go beyond or wade past restricted areas and to obey all instructions from site or security personnel. Those few who might choose to not obey site rules could jeopordize the good and respectful actions of most anglers who enjoy access for fishing provided by Brookfield Renewable Power (power company) on their privately held lands. For anglers accessing Brookfield PFD required zones, PFDs can be purchased here for fall 2014 where we offer a few different styles that should not hinder your current fishing system set-up including belt models, suspenders and foam vests.

The power company has initiated the site rules and user requirements while fishing at the Waterport dam on their privately held lands. The site rules are an alternative to not being allowed access for fishing on thier privately held lands.

We have encouraged users to obey the developing site rules from the beginning (see above) and recommend continued following site rules. The power company has put forth the site rules for the public safety. An incident this past fall 2013 where two users fell in the water while fishing immediately against the powerhouse building, and other factors, are likely responsible for the power company's new site rules. Some of the power company's private lands include the powerhouse area on the turbine channel, the overflow channel bankside areas extending downstream, and the turbine channel bankside areas extending downstream to where it meets the south boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (approx 800 ft downstream from the old RR trestle.) The NYSDEC also owns lands of an approx 60 foot wide swath across the turbine and overflow channels that would approximate the footprint of the old RR trestle.

New site rules include but may not be limited to...

restricted wading areas on both sides of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion for wading or water entry on the far side or west side of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion from some area below the falls on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone extending downstream on the turbine channel starting at the old RR trestle to the southern boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (which is approx 800 ft or half way to the end of the peninsula).

Prior to the new site rules there has been a concentrated salmon fishing effort of many users at the Waterport dam in the fall time-frame over a period of many years. There has also been lawful trout and salmon fishing by fly, spin and float anglers during the fall, winter and spring over a period of many years at the Waterport dam and on all the rest of the power company's lands on the Oak Orchard River.

The new site rules may impact your fishing effort on the Oak Orchard River at the Waterport dam. Your fishing effort on non power company lands on the rest of the Oak Orchard River could also be impacted, for example, by displacing some fall time-frame salmon anglers to other parts of the river.

If you have any concerns or comments about the new site rules you should contact... For the first three contacts you could send one email and copy everyone or call.

Mike Waterhouse the Orleans County Sportfishing Coordinator at sportfishing@orleansny.com. 585 589 3103

Orleans County Tourism at tourism@orleansny.com.
585 589 3198

NYSDEC Region 8 at fwfish8@gw.dec.state.ny.us.
585 226 2466

Brookfield directly for specific questions about the new site rules at inquiries.newyork@brookfieldrenewable.com.

Your comments and concerns are important for the involved policy makers to insure continued great trout and salmon fishing opportunities for all anglers on the Oak Orchard River. Given the timeframe of recent developments near the end of the 2014 spring tributary fishing season, be sure you share this info with all your fishing friends thru whatever social media or forums appropriate.

Remember you have to get out and fish. Come experience great fishing as it takes place instead of solely relying and waiting on internet reports. Anglers who find the best fishing often anticipate when the right conditions will come together. Internet bragging seems a lot less prevelant then it was a few years ago, and our reports tend to be even keeled - not reporting fish numbers great enough that they would be jumping in your waders - even if they were! Good water flows will be the biggest factor for trout and salmon migrations in the Oak Orchard River and in the area smaller tribs and pushing them upstream. Weather is the biggest factor for angler migrations and bringing more fishermen out and about. There have been some exceptional fish caught this trib season, just check out the pics below and in the archives. Come on out and get in on some trophy action this fall, winter and spring and add to the photo collection!

What does the Oak Orchard River, Lake Ontario and WNY offer? The chance to fish from your own two feet for trout and salmon you measure in pounds, not inches, for 7 - 9 months depending upon weather and water conditions. Recent economic conditions may make it more difficult for a fishing trip, but a trip here to the Oak Orchard River and WNY to fish for World Class trout and salmon is still easily the best bargain in trophy fishing. The working man's big trout and salmon trip is still here, and it's not even a contest compared to the other exotic, far off angling destinations. We believe our web reports are the straightest poop by far about Oak Orchard and most WNY conditions. We are living and experiencing all the fishing action directly or thru trusted reports of other die hard anglers as it happens. So how do you know if trophy trout and salmon will be catchable upon your travels to the Oak Orchard and WNY area? All the best web info, bulletin boards, angler skill and top notch equipment cannot replace getting out there and actually fishing! The nuances of fish migrations is an inexact science and we cannot predict the future. Fish as soon as reasonable conditions allow instead of waiting for supposed better conditions that may or may not materialize. Be one of the lucky few that experiences good fishing as it takes place instead of hearing that famous quote, "you should have been here yesterday!"

Tight lines and smooth drags!
Licorice Man


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Latest Catch Photos

Despite low flows, there is some good brown trout action that can be had in the smaller non OOrchard tribs by anglers doing a little leg work. Thanks for the catch and release mid Oct 2014.
Good to strong numbers of these trophy browns this fall mid Oct 2014 in the OOrchard. Lots of anglers? Pretty much. Lots of fish? Pretty much...
Young Ryan follows the "run" upstream moving from rivermouth caster to upstream OOrchard fly drifter. Some real good OOrchard end of Oct 2014 brown trout action.



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