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Last updated: Oct 20, 2014

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RIVER OR LAKESHORE CONDITIONS

Lodging dates are available for the 2014 trib season. There's lots of good fishing for salmon, steelhead and brown trout ahead! Stay at the Licorice Lodge at the shop in the heart of the fishing action! Brand new additional lodging available for Fall 2014 located just 5 miles east on Route 18, convienent to Sandy Creek. Call soon for reservations!

These dates are available at the shop Licorice Lodge...

Oct 31 - 1 room.

Nov 4 - 1 room. Nov 12 - 1 room. Nov 13 - 2 rooms. Nov 17, 18 - 3 rooms. Nov 19, 20 - 1 room. Nov 22 - 1 room. Nov 23, 24, 25, 26 - 2 rooms. Nov 27, 28, 29, 30 - 2 rooms.

Dec 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - 2 rooms. Dec 7, 8, 9 - 3 rooms. Dec 10, 11, 12, 13 - 2 rooms. Dec 14 forward - 3 rooms.

These dates are available at the new lodge...

Oct 12, 13, 26, 27. Nov 16, 17, 18, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30.

The Oak Orchard Pen Rearing Association received approx 30,000 steelhead placed in net pens and directly into the OOrchard Apr 15, 2014. Approx 115,000 King salmon where also placed in the net pens for hopeful imprinting on the OOrchard. These numbers represent just some of the total number of salmonids stocked here in Orleans County annually. Many thanks to Bob Songin and other local stakeholders for their efforts of securing, feeding and monitoring the fish. More tributary anglers are invited in 2014 to help with feeding the fish and cleaning the pens. Contact us for how and where to help out.

The Sportsmen Archer's Club Fly Fishing Only Catch and Release Contest will be held Oct 15 - 17, 2014. Everyone is sure to enjoy the great hospitality and comradorie of the Archer's Club and experience some real good fishing. Their cooperation with out of the area fishermen is truly above board and greatly appreciated by all. Please contact us or see the Club for registration.

Tributary Fly Fishing Class was held Sat, March 22, 2014. Join our great instructors NYSLOG Paul Jacob from Reel Action Fly Fishing and Capt. Jason Franz from Trout 'n' About and RonB aka the Licorice Man in 2015. An informative and fun filled day where we can help shorten the learning curve for you. Lunch is provided. Call or email for more info and pre-registration!

Be sure you follow-up with your comments on the Waterport dam situation via the contacts listed below, especially the first three. It's very important! For specific questions email the power company at the 4th contact listed. We can't speak for Brookfield!

Yes you can still fish all of the same water, there are just some new rules in place! There is significant misinformation out there about the new site rules put forth by Brookfield Power at the Waterport dam. Read the info below carefully, PFD's are required only on the Brookfield Power Company lands where water entry is permitted. Brookfield does not own the lands downstream anywhere near the end of the peninsula or near the Archer's Club! There are no new concerns or changes or otherwise on the rest of the river say on the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area or around the Archer's Club, etc...

Changeable weather patterns can make it difficult to predict salmonid "run" timing. Migration is a better term, fish don't start to "run" on Tue and end on Sat, it's often more drawn out over weeks or months dependent on weather and water flows. Over-the-all for this fall part of the trib season, it looks like things are proceeding later for salmon and maybe early for brown trout. Maybe they had a fish meeting and figured they'd try to pull a switch-a-roo on fishermen! Trout fishing, especially brown trout, has the potential to be real good this season. King numbers seem good - they did not experience heavy harvest in the Lake this summer. There have been some real nice healthy and fat rainbows/steelhead showing up in the catches of rivermouth casters and shoreline trollers. Future cool weather upstream fishing for those fish has the potential to be good too.

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Salmon numbers are good - strong in the OOrchard, fish are spread thru the whole rivercourse, now concentrated mostly in the upstream fast water gravel reaches. Salmon will drop back from the dam and there will still be fish arriving from the Lake. Migrating Kings will likely move thru downriver areas quickly now. Rivermouth casters are still into fish when wind and waves cooperate for fishable conditions. Egg sack plunkers can get into some steelhead now at the rivermouth.

Oct 20...
There's good action for both salmon and browns in the OOrchard under low - mod and clear flows. There's been no significant precip to change flows, although precip south of here is helping to maintain OOrchard flows. Other area smaller tribs with more local watersheds have low and clear flows. Salmon numbers are pretty good, they're concentrating more now in the upstream gravel reaches. Fish are still coming up from downstream, but they won't likely linger long there now. Fish that don't get caught at the dam will drop back too. Some salmon are spawning, with most still in good shape. Just a few are showing signs of wear. The "run" may only be something like at the halfway point, so there's probably lots of King action yet ahead. There's as many browns now as you might expect to see later on for Nov. There are some trophy large males in the mix and anglers looking for trout action are targeting them and getting hook-up chances, not just incidental to fishing for Kings. There are steelhead too and a handful of Atlantics that we know about.

weekend Oct 18...
It's cooling down with more seasonal temps, falling back in the 40's F for the weekend. There have been more showers today, Sat, but still not enough to change water flows much from low - mod and clear. More significant precip has been south and east of the area. The cooler temps will cool down water temps and put the bulk of the salmon into a spawning mode. Right now most fish are in good shape, at least green with a few fresher fish. Even in the smaller tribs with low and clear flows, anglers report salmon migrating upstream. Brown trout fishing has been pretty good already for this early part of the "run" in the OOrchard. Anglers are able to target them, not just getting incidental hook-ups while fishing for salmon.

Oct 17...
OOrchard action for both Kings and browns is pretty good, most all anglers reporting good numbers and hook-up chances. Flows remain low - mod but fishable with so far continuing warm weather and water temps. There's been no significant precip here on the WNY Lakeplain. There's a forecasted cool down with the chance for showers thru the upcoming weekend. A fair amount of angling pressure is concentrated on the OOrchard and it may perk up more for the weekend. A few guys are out on the other smaller tribs finding low and clear flows. Despite the low water, salmon are marching upstream with a few browns. Hopefully those fish can make it past downstream pressure and spread thru the upper reaches of the smaller tribs. Seems like there's lots of good salmon action still ahead of us and good brown trout action is underway already.

Oct 16...
Salmon action is pretty good all around. There are good to strong numbers of fish in the OOrchard and they are spreading out now thru the fast water gravel from both upstream and downstream. Only a handful of fish are looking tired. Look for fresh or green fish action easily thru this month and still some good salmon action extending likely into Nov. Salmon are even making a push now upstream in other area smaller tribs despite low flows. Recent precip has not brought flows up much from low - mod in the OOrchard and low in the other smaller tribs. Most of the rain has been south or east of here. Brown trout fishing is likewise good in the OOrchard and the other area smaller tribs even for this early or start of the typical trout "run" timing. There are strong numbers of fish already and they are shadowing the biggest salmon concentrations. Fishing pressure is generally manageable but there are a fair amount of guys on the OOrchard since it has been offering the best water flows and fish numbers and consistency. Hey you might say the OOrchard doesn't have flash, but there is always that consistency that often perks up for even better action like now!

Oct 14...
Unseasonably warm today but rain and a cool down is expected tomorrow. A good shot of rain and higher flows will spread fish out, especially in the smaller tribs. There are good numbers of salmon and also some browns upstream nearer the dam in the OOrchard. Flows for now are low and clear all around, less low in the OOrchard thanks to the 24/7 Erie Canal water feed. Lots of good action for salmon and already pretty good brown trout action for early in Oct.

Oct 13...
Salmon migrations are underway pretty good, especially in the Oak Orchard. There are good numbers of fish piling up upstream nearer the dam and there are select times when other pods of fish are on the move from downstream. Yesterday on an E wind there were still good numbers of salmon moving thru at the rivermouth, so there are yet fish boiling and coming in from the Lake. Temps are forecast warm today and tomorrow but it's gloomy and drizzly today so fish are likely on the move. There is more precip in the forecast for later this week. Fishing pressure has been fairly sporty thru this past weekend. It looks like there is lots of salmon action yet ahead of us and there are few if any fish yet showing signs of wear. Over-the-all too it's early for good brown trout numbers, but despite the fish not paying attention to the calender, anglers report strong numbers of fish shadowing that main bunch of salmon nearer the dam. There are some rainbows/steelhead around too and that bodes well as a good sign for better yet fishing thru Nov and Dec. Flows are low - mod and clear but the OOrchard is the least low of the area tribs.

weekend Oct 11...
Following precip from earlier this week and consistent cooler temps now, it seems like good numbers of Kings are moving up into the upstream fast water areas in the OOrchard. Flows are mod with some higher water level fluctuations reported thru Fri. Fish are dropping back from the dam with a few fish spawning. Most all fish are still in good shape - just dark or green or nearly silver. Fish are still passing thru the rivermouth but won't likely spend a lot of time anymore in downstream areas. There are good numbers of fish ganging up in the last of the slow water and begin of the fast water areas. Temps are forecast warm next week but with the chance for more precip. Fishing pressure has picked up, look for more guys out in pursuit of salmon for this weekend. There's pretty good brown trout and steelhead numbers already, a good sign for better yet trout action to come thru the end of Oct, Nov and begin of Dec. The last precip has gotten a few Kings rolling upstream in the smaller tribs despite the low and clear flows. Look for scattered numbers upstream with still good numbers bidding time in downstream rivermouth or estuary areas.

Oct 09...
By most angler accounts, salmon numbers are building in the upper fast water gravel reaches in the OOrchard with fair to good numbers of fish. Fish are all the way to the dam and still passing thru the rivermouth from the Lake. Downstream fish are likely to spend less time staged downstream at this point in the season thanks to more consistent cool weather and water temps. There was some precip over the past few days but not enough to change water flows very much, but it may have moved some fish a little farther upstream in the area smaller tribs. The best bet for fish and flows is still the OOrchard with low and clear flows in the other area smaller tribs. Fishing pressure is really not that bad so far, there is a small crowd at the dam and there may be more anglers out thru this weekend. Forecast is generally clear and cool in the 50's F and dry thru the weekend. There are some pretty good numbers of browns around already and a few steelhead. The browns seen already for this begin part of Oct could be a good indication of real good fishing yet to come thru Nov and Dec.

See important contact info following...

Anglers fishing at the Waterport dam are reminded to follow all site rules and user requirements (site rules) and warnings, to not go beyond or wade past restricted areas and to obey all instructions from site or security personnel. Those few who might choose to not obey site rules could jeopordize the good and respectful actions of most anglers who enjoy access for fishing provided by Brookfield Renewable Power (power company) on their privately held lands. For anglers accessing Brookfield PFD required zones, PFDs can be purchased here for fall 2014 where we will be offering at least a few different styles that should not hinder your current fishing system set-up including belt models, suspenders and foam vests.

The power company has initiated the site rules and user requirements while fishing at the Waterport dam on their privately held lands. The site rules are an alternative to not being allowed access for fishing on thier privately held lands.

We have encouraged users to obey the developing site rules from the beginning (see above) and recommend continued following site rules. The power company has put forth the site rules for the public safety. An incident this past fall 2013 where two users fell in the water while fishing immediately against the powerhouse building, and other factors, are likely responsible for the power company's new site rules. Some of the power company's private lands include the powerhouse area on the turbine channel, the overflow channel bankside areas extending downstream, and the turbine channel bankside areas extending downstream to where it meets the south boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (approx 150 yds downstream from the old RR trestle.) The NYSDEC also owns lands of an approx 60 foot wide swath across the turbine and overflow channels that would approximate the footprint of the old RR trestle.

New site rules include but may not be limited to...

restricted wading areas on both sides of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion for wading or water entry on the far side or west side of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion from some area below the falls on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone extending downstream on the turbine channel starting at the old RR trestle to the southern boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (which is approx 150 yds).

Prior to the new site rules there has been a concentrated salmon fishing effort of many users at the Waterport dam in the fall time-frame over a period of many years. There has also been lawful trout and salmon fishing by fly, spin and float anglers during the fall, winter and spring over a period of many years at the Waterport dam and on all the rest of the power company's lands on the Oak Orchard River.

The new site rules may impact your fishing effort on the Oak Orchard River at the Waterport dam. Your fishing effort on non power company lands on the rest of the Oak Orchard River could also be impacted, for example, by displacing some fall time-frame salmon anglers to other parts of the river.

If you have any concerns or comments about the new site rules you should contact... For the first three contacts you could send one email and copy everyone or call.

Mike Waterhouse the Orleans County Sportfishing Coordinator at sportfishing@orleansny.com. 585 589 3103

Orleans County Tourism at tourism@orleansny.com.
585 589 3198

NYSDEC Region 8 at fwfish8@gw.dec.state.ny.us.
585 226 2466

Brookfield directly for specific questions about the new site rules at inquiries.newyork@brookfieldrenewable.com.

Your comments and concerns are important for the involved policy makers to insure continued great trout and salmon fishing opportunities for all anglers on the Oak Orchard River. Given the timeframe of recent developments near the end of the 2014 spring tributary fishing season, be sure you share this info with all your fishing friends thru whatever social media or forums appropriate.

Remember you have to get out and fish. Come experience great fishing as it takes place instead of solely relying and waiting on internet reports. Anglers who find the best fishing often anticipate when the right conditions will come together. Internet bragging seems a lot less prevelant then it was a few years ago, and our reports tend to be even keeled - not reporting fish numbers great enough that they would be jumping in your waders - even if they were! Good water flows will be the biggest factor for trout and salmon migrations in the Oak Orchard River and in the area smaller tribs and pushing them upstream. Weather is the biggest factor for angler migrations and bringing more fishermen out and about. There have been some exceptional fish caught this trib season, just check out the pics below and in the archives. Come on out and get in on some trophy action this fall, winter and spring and add to the photo collection!

What does the Oak Orchard River, Lake Ontario and WNY offer? The chance to fish from your own two feet for trout and salmon you measure in pounds, not inches, for 7 - 9 months depending upon weather and water conditions. Recent economic conditions may make it more difficult for a fishing trip, but a trip here to the Oak Orchard River and WNY to fish for World Class trout and salmon is still easily the best bargain in trophy fishing. The working man's big trout and salmon trip is still here, and it's not even a contest compared to the other exotic, far off angling destinations. We believe our web reports are the straightest poop by far about Oak Orchard and most WNY conditions. We are living and experiencing all the fishing action directly or thru trusted reports of other die hard anglers as it happens. So how do you know if trophy trout and salmon will be catchable upon your travels to the Oak Orchard and WNY area? All the best web info, bulletin boards, angler skill and top notch equipment cannot replace getting out there and actually fishing! The nuances of fish migrations is an inexact science and we cannot predict the future. Fish as soon as reasonable conditions allow instead of waiting for supposed better conditions that may or may not materialize. Be one of the lucky few that experiences good fishing as it takes place instead of hearing that famous quote, "you should have been here yesterday!"

Tight lines and smooth drags!
Licorice Man

 

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Latest Catch Photos

Even first timers with simple small boat trolling set-ups around the OORchard rivermouth or lower river areas can score some big Kings. Rookie angler Wayne is happy with this good fighter. 3rd week Sept 2014
Veteran rivermouth caster young Shawn Jr. hooked this nice King working the OOrchard rivermouth in the low light periods with spoons from the most knowledgeable trib and shoreline resource around. 3rd week Sept 2014
 

 

 


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