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  strives to provide its patrons with Click to see bigger pic reliable stream, weather and fishing conditions during the fall, winter and spring. We are happy to provide this information for anglers so that they can make informed decisions about fishing trips. Please be aware, however, that weather, fishing conditions and water flows can change in a moment's notice. Hydro power generation can and does alter water flows. Not all fishermen's expectations and skills are equal and if you wait for "perfect" conditions, you'll likely miss some good opportunities. No guarantee of success, natural conditions or safety is ever implied. Here's what we know right now...

Last updated: weekend Oct 25, 2014

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Lodging dates are available for the 2014 trib season. There's lots of good fishing for salmon, steelhead and brown trout ahead! Stay at the Licorice Lodge at the shop in the heart of the fishing action! Brand new additional lodging available for Fall 2014 located just 5 miles east on Route 18, convienent to Sandy Creek. Call soon for reservations!

These dates are available at the shop Licorice Lodge...

Oct 25, 26 - 1 room. Oct 31 - 1 room.

Nov 4 - 1 room. Nov 13 - 2 rooms. Nov 17, 18 - 2 rooms. Nov 22 - 1 room. Nov 23, 24, 25, 26 - 2 rooms. Nov 27 - 2 rooms. Nov 28, 29 - 1 room. Nov 30 - 3 rooms.

Dec 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - 2 rooms. Dec 6 - 1 room. Dec 7, 8, 9 - 3 rooms. Dec 10, 11, 12, 13 - 2 rooms. Dec 14 forward - 3 rooms.

These dates are available at the new lodge...

Oct 26, 27. Nov 16, 17, 18, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30.

The Oak Orchard Pen Rearing Association received approx 30,000 steelhead placed in net pens and directly into the OOrchard Apr 15, 2014. Approx 115,000 King salmon where also placed in the net pens for hopeful imprinting on the OOrchard. These numbers represent just some of the total number of salmonids stocked here in Orleans County annually. Many thanks to Bob Songin and other local stakeholders for their efforts of securing, feeding and monitoring the fish. More tributary anglers are invited in 2014 to help with feeding the fish and cleaning the pens. Contact us for how and where to help out.

The Sportsmen Archer's Club Fly Fishing Only Catch and Release Contest will be held Oct 15 - 17, 2014. Everyone is sure to enjoy the great hospitality and comradorie of the Archer's Club and experience some real good fishing. Their cooperation with out of the area fishermen is truly above board and greatly appreciated by all. Please contact us or see the Club for registration.

Tributary Fly Fishing Class was held Sat, March 22, 2014. Join our great instructors NYSLOG Paul Jacob from Reel Action Fly Fishing and Capt. Jason Franz from Trout 'n' About and RonB aka the Licorice Man in 2015. An informative and fun filled day where we can help shorten the learning curve for you. Lunch is provided. Call or email for more info and pre-registration!

Be sure you follow-up with your comments on the Waterport dam situation via the contacts listed below, especially the first three. It's very important! For specific questions email the power company at the 4th contact listed. We can't speak for Brookfield!

Yes you can still fish all of the same water, there are just some new rules in place! There is significant misinformation out there about the new site rules put forth by Brookfield Power at the Waterport dam. Read the info below carefully, PFD's are required only on the Brookfield Power Company lands where water entry is permitted. Brookfield does not own the lands downstream anywhere near the end of the peninsula or near the Archer's Club! There are no new concerns or changes or otherwise on the rest of the river say on the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area or around the Archer's Club, etc...

Changeable weather patterns can make it difficult to predict salmonid "run" timing. Migration is a better term, fish don't start to "run" on Tue and end on Sat, it's often more drawn out over weeks or months dependent on weather and water flows. Over-the-all for this fall part of the trib season, it looks like things are proceeding later for salmon and maybe early for brown trout. Trout fishing, especially brown trout, has the potential to be real good this season. King numbers seem good - they did not experience heavy harvest in the Lake this summer. There have been some real nice healthy and fat rainbows/steelhead showing up in the catches of rivermouth casters and shoreline trollers. Future cool weather upstream fishing for those fish has the potential to be good too.

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Salmon numbers are good - strong in the OOrchard, fish are spread thru the whole rivercourse, now concentrated mostly in the upstream fast water gravel reaches. Salmon will drop back from the dam and there will still besome fish arriving from the Lake, look for the chance for coho migrations. Migrating Kings will likely move thru downriver areas quickly now. Rivermouth casters are still into fish when wind and waves cooperate for fishable conditions. Egg sack plunkers can get into some steelhead now at the rivermouth.

weekend Oct 25...
The weather thru today, Sat, is warm and windy. There should be some leaves in the water and the chance for water level fluctuations thanks to hydro power operations in the OOrchard. The clear and bright and warm weather coupled with angling pressure can make for spooky fish, but where anglers in an area concentrate on legit drifting techniques via fly, spin or float the fish aren't spooked to heck and more hook-ups are the result. There can be good opportunities for hook-ups when legit techniques prevail even if the fishing pressure is a little heavy. There are good - strong numbers of fish in the OOrchard, both salmon and browns. Fair numbers of steelhead already too for this part of the fall season. Many of the Kings are in a spawning mode, more and more fish on gravel each day. The right now warmer weather and forecasted warm weather thru next week shouldn't deter the Kings, they are committed. But it will mean some more old moldies in the mix. Flows are low - mod in the OOrchard and water temps are likely not to dip much in the near future, so brown trout spawning activity will likely be held back some. Other area smaller tribs have low and clear and once again dropping flows. But likewise there are committed Kings there despite low water with scattered numbers of browns and steelhead. Some anglers find a pod of fish and do ok, others find not much action.

Oct 24...
Yesterday and today the weather has gone clear and a little warmer, highs are around 60 F. There is the chance for showers tomorrow, Sat. Anglers are enjoying good action for salmon and browns in nice agreeable weather, so look for fairly heavy fishing pressure in the OOrchard. Salmon are spread thru most of the upper reaches fast water in a spawning mode. Fish are dropping back from the dam and some are still coming upstream. Most are green or fresher with some older moldies thrown in. Mixed in among all the salmon are good numbers of browns and steelhead. There are some real nice males and a few female browns in the mix. Salmon are spread thu the other area smaller tribs esp to the east, reported lighter to the west. Brown trout could use some cover of higher water to spread out upstream and get thru downstream fishing pressure. Flows are low - mod and fluctuating in the OOrchard and low in the other area tribs. Canal water in some cases is being moved thru the smaller tribs so anglers should have a look and not assume flows are too low to fish.

Oct 23...
Most anglers are reporting good to strong numbers of fish in the OOrchard, mostly salmon and browns. There's a lot of salmon biomass because, well, they're salmon... But there's a good number of browns too. There are some rainbows/steelhead and at least a few Atlantices. We haven't heard of any cohos, but there's likely a few. Fishing pressure is fairly manageable, by fall standards anyway, for this end part of the week. Could be that some salmon anglers are falling out of the mix. That's probably a mistake, there's still plenty of good salmon action yet ahead and most fish are still in good shape. There are a few fish showing signs of wear, but there are still mostly green fish and some fresher ones too. Flows are being maintained at low - mod, there was some precip a couple nights ago and the latest NE precip has not made it back west this far. Weather is forecast cool and clear till possibly Sat with the chance for showers. There have been some water level fluctuations typical for this fall time frame as leaves are back flushed off the turbine racks. The other area smaller tribs have low flows, but in some cases flows are worth investigating because Erie Canal water could be passed thru bringing flows up more then normal dry time period run of the river. Salmon are scattered and spread upstream thru the smaller tribs with trout concentrations greatest in the lower reaches.

Oct 22...
The area received some rain thru last night, enough to maintain flows in the OOrchard or possibly bump the smaller trib flows up from real low to just low. Showers and cool weather around 50 F with overcast is forecast thru this week. That's pretty good conditions for encouraging fish migrations. There's a fair amount of fishing pressure, especially in the OOrchard, and the low flows in the other area smaller tribs can magnify pressure from other anglers. Most anglers are reporting good - strong numbers of both salmon and browns. Kings are into a spawning mode with most fish still in good shape, only a few zombies. Brown trout are gorging heavily on the salmon egg glot. Flies, bait or lures imitating eggs are generally the most productive. Salmon are moving upstream in the smaller tribs despite low flows with scattered numbers of browns. Upstream concentrations of fish will need to make it past downstream fishing pressure. In the OOrchard fish are spread thru the upstream reaches with still some salmon coming up from downstream. Each day more and more browns and steelhead should be added to the mix as the weather and water flows continue to cool.

Oct 20...
There's good action for both salmon and browns in the OOrchard under low - mod and clear flows. There's been no significant precip to change flows, although precip south of here is helping to maintain OOrchard flows. Other area smaller tribs with more local, smaller watersheds have low and clear flows. Salmon numbers are pretty good, they're concentrating more now in the upstream gravel reaches. Fish are still coming up from downstream, but they won't likely linger long there now. Fish that don't get caught at the dam will drop back too. Some salmon are spawning, with most still in good shape. Just a few are showing signs of wear. The "run" may only be something like at the halfway point, so there's probably lots of King action yet ahead. There's as many browns now as you might expect to see later on for Nov. There are some trophy large males in the mix and anglers looking for trout action are targeting them and getting hook-up chances, not just incidental to fishing for Kings. There are steelhead too and a handful of Atlantics that we know about.

weekend Oct 18...
It's cooling down with more seasonal temps, falling back in the 40's F for the weekend. There have been more showers today, Sat, but still not enough to change water flows much from low - mod and clear. More significant precip has been south and east of the area. The cooler temps will cool down water temps and put the bulk of the salmon into a spawning mode. Right now most fish are in good shape, at least green with a few fresher fish. Even in the smaller tribs with low and clear flows, anglers report salmon migrating upstream. Brown trout fishing has been pretty good already for this early part of the "run" in the OOrchard. Anglers are able to target them, not just getting incidental hook-ups while fishing for salmon.

Oct 17...
OOrchard action for both Kings and browns is pretty good, most all anglers reporting good numbers and hook-up chances. Flows remain low - mod but fishable with so far continuing warm weather and water temps. There's been no significant precip here on the WNY Lakeplain. There's a forecasted cool down with the chance for showers thru the upcoming weekend. A fair amount of angling pressure is concentrated on the OOrchard and it may perk up more for the weekend. A few guys are out on the other smaller tribs finding low and clear flows. Despite the low water, salmon are marching upstream with a few browns. Hopefully those fish can make it past downstream pressure and spread thru the upper reaches of the smaller tribs. Seems like there's lots of good salmon action still ahead of us and good brown trout action is underway already.

See important contact info following...

Anglers fishing at the Waterport dam are reminded to follow all site rules and user requirements (site rules) and warnings, to not go beyond or wade past restricted areas and to obey all instructions from site or security personnel. Those few who might choose to not obey site rules could jeopordize the good and respectful actions of most anglers who enjoy access for fishing provided by Brookfield Renewable Power (power company) on their privately held lands. For anglers accessing Brookfield PFD required zones, PFDs can be purchased here for fall 2014 where we will be offering at least a few different styles that should not hinder your current fishing system set-up including belt models, suspenders and foam vests.

The power company has initiated the site rules and user requirements while fishing at the Waterport dam on their privately held lands. The site rules are an alternative to not being allowed access for fishing on thier privately held lands.

We have encouraged users to obey the developing site rules from the beginning (see above) and recommend continued following site rules. The power company has put forth the site rules for the public safety. An incident this past fall 2013 where two users fell in the water while fishing immediately against the powerhouse building, and other factors, are likely responsible for the power company's new site rules. Some of the power company's private lands include the powerhouse area on the turbine channel, the overflow channel bankside areas extending downstream, and the turbine channel bankside areas extending downstream to where it meets the south boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (approx 150 yds downstream from the old RR trestle.) The NYSDEC also owns lands of an approx 60 foot wide swath across the turbine and overflow channels that would approximate the footprint of the old RR trestle.

New site rules include but may not be limited to...

restricted wading areas on both sides of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion for wading or water entry on the far side or west side of the turbine channel at the powerhouse,

exclusion from some area below the falls on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone on the overflow channel,

a PFD required zone extending downstream on the turbine channel starting at the old RR trestle to the southern boundary of the Oak Orchard River Public Fishing Access Area (which is approx 150 yds).

Prior to the new site rules there has been a concentrated salmon fishing effort of many users at the Waterport dam in the fall time-frame over a period of many years. There has also been lawful trout and salmon fishing by fly, spin and float anglers during the fall, winter and spring over a period of many years at the Waterport dam and on all the rest of the power company's lands on the Oak Orchard River.

The new site rules may impact your fishing effort on the Oak Orchard River at the Waterport dam. Your fishing effort on non power company lands on the rest of the Oak Orchard River could also be impacted, for example, by displacing some fall time-frame salmon anglers to other parts of the river.

If you have any concerns or comments about the new site rules you should contact... For the first three contacts you could send one email and copy everyone or call.

Mike Waterhouse the Orleans County Sportfishing Coordinator at sportfishing@orleansny.com. 585 589 3103

Orleans County Tourism at tourism@orleansny.com.
585 589 3198

NYSDEC Region 8 at fwfish8@gw.dec.state.ny.us.
585 226 2466

Brookfield directly for specific questions about the new site rules at inquiries.newyork@brookfieldrenewable.com.

Your comments and concerns are important for the involved policy makers to insure continued great trout and salmon fishing opportunities for all anglers on the Oak Orchard River. Given the timeframe of recent developments near the end of the 2014 spring tributary fishing season, be sure you share this info with all your fishing friends thru whatever social media or forums appropriate.

Remember you have to get out and fish. Come experience great fishing as it takes place instead of solely relying and waiting on internet reports. Anglers who find the best fishing often anticipate when the right conditions will come together. Internet bragging seems a lot less prevelant then it was a few years ago, and our reports tend to be even keeled - not reporting fish numbers great enough that they would be jumping in your waders - even if they were! Good water flows will be the biggest factor for trout and salmon migrations in the Oak Orchard River and in the area smaller tribs and pushing them upstream. Weather is the biggest factor for angler migrations and bringing more fishermen out and about. There have been some exceptional fish caught this trib season, just check out the pics below and in the archives. Come on out and get in on some trophy action this fall, winter and spring and add to the photo collection!

What does the Oak Orchard River, Lake Ontario and WNY offer? The chance to fish from your own two feet for trout and salmon you measure in pounds, not inches, for 7 - 9 months depending upon weather and water conditions. Recent economic conditions may make it more difficult for a fishing trip, but a trip here to the Oak Orchard River and WNY to fish for World Class trout and salmon is still easily the best bargain in trophy fishing. The working man's big trout and salmon trip is still here, and it's not even a contest compared to the other exotic, far off angling destinations. We believe our web reports are the straightest poop by far about Oak Orchard and most WNY conditions. We are living and experiencing all the fishing action directly or thru trusted reports of other die hard anglers as it happens. So how do you know if trophy trout and salmon will be catchable upon your travels to the Oak Orchard and WNY area? All the best web info, bulletin boards, angler skill and top notch equipment cannot replace getting out there and actually fishing! The nuances of fish migrations is an inexact science and we cannot predict the future. Fish as soon as reasonable conditions allow instead of waiting for supposed better conditions that may or may not materialize. Be one of the lucky few that experiences good fishing as it takes place instead of hearing that famous quote, "you should have been here yesterday!"

Tight lines and smooth drags!
Licorice Man


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Latest Catch Photos

Even first timers with simple small boat trolling set-ups around the OORchard rivermouth or lower river areas can score some big Kings. Rookie angler Wayne is happy with this good fighter. 3rd week Sept 2014
Veteran rivermouth caster young Shawn Jr. hooked this nice King working the OOrchard rivermouth in the low light periods with spoons from the most knowledgeable trib and shoreline resource around. 3rd week Sept 2014



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